Kean Canter Mattowski
Sticking up for Stock Aitken Waterman
Monday, 25 May 2026
A few SAW-related oddities
Sunday, 15 October 2023
Big F-Un(released)?
A little while back, I was having a sort out of my many boxes of stuff which have sat untouched in my garage for ages.
Among the many magazines I have from years gone by, I found an issue of Look-In (a UK teen magazine focusing on TV, film and music) from November 1989.
This particular issue had Big Fun on the front cover and also carried an interview with the band inside.
What is interesting is the reference to Big Fun having recorded a track called Weekend with Stock Aitken Waterman in late 1989: "We just recorded this brilliant song with Stock, Aitken and Waterman called Weekend, it's really good funky pop".
Big Fun never released a track called Weekend, nor has it ever come up in the various lists of unreleased SAW tracks.
So what’s the story here?
Did SAW attempt a cover of Showing Out (Get Fresh at the Weekend) with Big Fun?
Was it a track recorded at PWL with Pete Hammond or Harding & Curnow (and the journalist has just used SAW as the usual catch-all)?
Or was it another track which ended up with a name change or changed lyrics?
Or was it an abandoned track and was therefore never finished?
Of course, it could be an error or misunderstanding on the interviewer’s part, but I find that difficult to believe (especially as it's a quote).
So another potential SAW mystery emerges! The gift which keeps on giving!
Thursday, 21 September 2023
10 things I have learned from A Journey Through SAW (aka the best podcast in the world)
Yes, I know it’s been a long time… but I simply had to bring this blog out of hiatus to write a bit about Gavin Scott and Matthew Denby’s wonderful podcast A Journey Through SAW.
It is quite simply the documentary series all SAW fans have coveted for many years, and quite frankly, I struggle to think about who could have done a better job than Gavin & Matthew.
If you’re reading this blog, then you will of course know about the podcast, so there’s no need for me to go into detail about it. Nor do I want to spoil the experience for new listeners by going through all of the juicy info that Gavin & Matthew have uncovered. But should you not be aware of it, the podcast is telling the story of SAW using each of their released UK singles as touchpoints, from first SAW single The Upstroke through (I expect) to Slamm’s Virginia Plain, though I believe they will cover post-SAW product in some form, and will no doubt cover the latterday Stock & Waterman one-offs as well as the full SAW reunion for the remix of Kylie’s Every Day Is Like Christmas.
The podcast is a seriously impressive endeavour; Gavin & Matthew are journalists, and it’s clear how much those skills and that background contribute to the whole affair. They have tracked down all manner of contributors – many of whom we have not heard from before – and have gotten some great stories and viewpoints from. They know their stuff and their quality standards around information are high. And crucially, they are not afraid to voice their opinions if they do not like certain tracks, but remain respectful when doing so.
I especially like how Gavin positions himself as good cop, with Matthew being bad cop (in a good way, if that makes sense); it’s fun when the two do not agree on something.
Whilst Gavin & Matthew are following in the footsteps of the great fan researchers such as Jeremy Kay, Paul Smith, John Palmer, Dave Roberts & Tom Parker, they are actually taking the whole SAW fandom wider as their podcast gains increasing recognition. And deservedly so.
Anyway, I wanted to share 10 things I have learned from A Journey through SAW, so here goes:
1) Suzanne Rhatigan would be my ideal dinner party guest
Like many diehard SAW fans, you kind of get used to hearing the same old stories from the same old people – which is absolutely fine, but one of the joys of this podcast is hearing from people who haven’t told their story before. I loved hearing from people like Yoyo, Dee Lewis and Nick East, but Suzanne Rhatigan was an absolute delight. She was enthusiastic, friendly, honest yet respectful and hilarious. I could listen to her reading the full SAW discography. In particular, I loved her story about getting in trouble with Pete Waterman because Suzanne’s mum had unwittingly leaked a story to the Irish press! If this was my podcast, Suzanne would be on every episode.
2) Matt Aitken is refreshingly honest about the SAW back catalogue
Well I guess I kind of knew this anyway from what others have said about Matt Aitken, but what I really like about Matt’s contribution to the podcast is that he will give his view on whether a track worked or not. This is different from Mike Stock, who I feel is more defensive of SAW’s work (which is fair and proper – and I’ve spent 30-odd years defending their work too). By the way, it’s great that Matt has started to contribute more to retrospective projects such as the podcast; I feel his account of events is helping to give a fuller view of SAW’s history.
3) Sheila Ferguson’s version of Always Doesn’t Mean Forever has different phrasing in the chorus than Hazell Dean’s version
Always Doesn’t Mean Forever is genuinely one of my favourite SAW tracks, and it was a real thrill to hear a snippet of the original & unreleased Sheila Ferguson version. I love the sneaky way Gavin introduced it as the Hazell Dean version, and then stopping it after 20 seconds to correct himself! At first, I thought “ooh I haven’t heard this mix before”, before realising what version it actually was! The biggest surprise was that the phrasing of the “Always doesn’t mean forever” is different, in the way that the phrasing of the “Got to be certain” line is different in Mandy Smith’s version of Got To Be Certain to Kylie Minogue’s. Great to hear the snippet, and hopefully one day we will get to hear the full Sheila version (and the rest of her unreleased tracks).
4) Romi & Jazz could – and should – have been the next Mel & Kim
Gavin & Matthew did a great episode recently with a big focus on Romi & Jazz, whose sole 1990 SAW track One Love One World is a favourite of mine. The boys did a great overview of Romi & Jazz’s career leading up to the SAW collaboration, and it was great to hear Romi & Jazz now looking back on that time with fondness. Matt Aitken made a comment – “(We’ve) hit the jackpot here – where did it all go wrong?” – which got me thinking about the parallels between Romi & Jazz and Mel & Kim. One Love One World probably isn’t as revolutionary a track as Showing Out (Get Fresh at the Weekend) was, but it was a case of SAW applying emerging club sounds to a pop track and doing something new (like using a spoken sample as the bridge). I think if Chrysalis had managed to break this single, then Romi & Jazz had a great chance of forging a successful career, especially if they had stayed with SAW and also if they had the opportunity to bring in the Bhangara elements more.
5) The story around how Princess parted ways with SAW and Supreme Records was even more fascinating than I thought
This was an early coup for Gavin & Matthew, and one which really showed that their podcast is a very special endeavour. They got Princess to agree to a comprehensive interview when the podcast had only started and was still building its profile, which is a great feat, but Gavin’s interviewing skills clearly put Princess at ease as she was able to be very candid about her experience. I want people to listen to the podcast so I am not going to go through the details here, except to say it’s clear there were lots of personalities at play and it seems Princess herself may have been caught in the crossfire. When your record label puts out a single with a text only cover, you know there’s a problem. I was also fascinated by Gavin & Matthew’s observation that one of the problems affecting Princess’s success was a move away from the pure soul of Say I’m Your Number One, as subsequent releases became more poppy (although final SAW single In the Heat Of A Passionate Moment went in a totally different direction and embraced Chicago House).
6) Lisa Fabien’s story of missed opportunities with SAW was a heartbreaking indictment on the record industry
If you’re a fully-signed up member of SAW fandom, then you will know the name Lisa Fabien but will not know much about her. Gavin & Matthew changed all that when they tracked her down. Lisa was a vocalist who was in the SAW and PWL orbit; she duetted with Rick Astley on the pre-Never Gonna Give You Up single When You Gonna (produced by Harding & Curnow), and later was the credited vocalist on the unreleased 4th SAW single Better Than Ever. It turns out that Lisa was signed for a deal and was given assurances that she was going to be the next big thing… before being unceremoniously dropped before anything actually happened. Sure, the history of pop music is littered with stories about artists who almost but never made it but Lisa’s experience, as she tells it, sounds really unfair and hurtful.
7) Kylie wasn’t actually flying back to Australia the day I Should Be So Lucky was recorded
Go and listen to Terry Blamey on the recent Better The Devil You Know part 1 edition of the podcast but it seems that Terry Blamey told a white lie about it being Kylie’s last day in the UK in order to force SAW to record Kylie. It’s bonkers he had to do that, but thank god he did. And this revelation only adds to the labyrinthine legend of how I Should be So Lucky was born.
8) Jamie Morgan’s life should be made into a film
I am slightly obsessed by Looking Good Diving by Morgan McVey, so it was great to hear from Jamie Morgan about how that track came together. What was even better for me was Jamie’s story about being chased by a murderous boyfriend who wrongly thought Jamie had copped off with his girlfriend, and how Jamie escaped into a club to hear DJ Tim Simenon playing B-side Looking Good Diving With The Wild Bunch, which led to Simenon producing Neneh Cherry's Buffalo Stance. Absolutely fascinating and brilliantly hilarious.
9) The guitar solo on Samantha Fox’s Nothing’s Gonna Stop Me Now was played on keyboard
Matt Aitken is of course an amazing guitarist, but I was already aware (having been lucky enough to have a brief email correspondence with Matt in the early 2000s) that a number of his guitar solos were actually performed on keyboard and routed through the Rockman guitar amp. Once I knew that, I was able to hear the difference between the keyboard solos (even though they were impressively done) and the real guitar solos. However, I was absolutely certain that the solo on Nothing’s Gonna Stop Me Now was the real deal – until Gavin revealed to Samantha Fox on the podcast that that particular solo was a keyboard/Rockman special. This is what’s great about the podcast; it’s easy to think that you know it all after nearly 40 years of being a fan, and then Gavin & Matt pull something out of the bag!
10) The mystery of the Roland Rat & SAW collaboration may have been solved
If you’re a die-hard SAW fan, you will know that they produced and co-wrote a number of tracks for UK TV puppet Roland Rat, one of which was the theme to the 1986 BBC TV show Roland Rat – The Series; these tracks ended up on an album, with the theme song released as a single. However, in Mark Elliott’s excellent 2017 book The Ministry of Pop, Mike Stock said he had no recollection of working on these tracks at all. Now, we know there have been occasions when a record contained a SAW credit but was actually the work of Pete Hammond or Phil Harding (and sometimes had nothing to do with SAW or PWL), but these tracks – at least in production terms – sound like SAW to me. Especially when you consider the Roland Rat-free version, which is a great slab of Chicago House and actually a proto-version of the Mel & Kim sound. But on the podcast, Mike re-iterated that he does not recall any involvement in these tracks, and I have no reason to doubt his account (he was there, after all – or, in this case, wasn’t!). He does suggest Matt Aitken was involved in putting the backing track together. Not only that, Phil Harding – credited as mixer – also cast doubts on his own involvement. The last word – for now – comes from the always-excellent John Palmer, who has suggested (and I am paraphrasing here) that perhaps SAW provided backing tracks to the BBC, probably for toplines to be written over them by composer Simon Brint, scriptwriter Lise Meyer & David Claridge, the man behind Roland Rat. This could explain the full-on Chicago House Roland-Rat-free version of the track with a female-sung verse (and no chorus); was this the original version of Living Legend rather than a remix of it as many of us have thought?
A quick note for the subscriber-only bonus material, which is already a treasure trove of expanded & additional interview material, as well as some special episodes where Gavin & Matt focus on a particular topic, album or artist. At roughly £2 per month, this is a steal.
In closing, the podcast is not only a history of SAW, but it’s also a wider cultural history of the music industry in the 1980s and 1990s – a double achievement then! A big well done and thank you to Gavin & Matt!
Sunday, 19 May 2019
Hang On... it’s not that bad, is it?
Monday, 22 October 2018
Review: An Evening with Pete Waterman - The Hit Maker (The Brindley, Runcorn - Wednesday 17 October 2018)
My second near-miss took place a good 20 or so years later, when I found myself in London's Euston Station waiting for a train to take me home to Liverpool after a day at a very dull conference. I was leaning against the side of the Tie Rack shop when I did a double-take as I saw Pete Waterman, striding purposefully past, carrying two big laundry bags, off to catch a train. I had that split second of "should I go up and say hello?", conjuring up names like Michael Prince and Jeb Million to drop into said quick hello so he knew I was a Real Fan. But then I realised how uncool that would be, and how Pete deserved his privacy like anyone else, and also how a load of Londoners -- used to seeing famous people -- would roll their eyes as I broke the unspoken etiquette of the capital city.
So, as I sat in The Brindley in Runcorn on Wednesday night as part of the audience for An Evening with Pete Waterman - The Hit Maker, I hoped it would be third time lucky.
Pete has been touring venues across the UK in his one-man-show, talking about his life with the main focus on his career in the record industry, and so he took to the stage in Runcorn in Cheshire for the latest instalment in his tour -- calling it a home gig as he lives "just round the corner". The intimate venue of The Brindley was actually a real benefit to proceedings as there was a real sense of familiarity between performer and audience, which also put Pete at ease.
The first half of the show focused on Pete's life and career up to the late 1970s; he told us that he was thought to have died shortly after birth but was brought back to life by a neighbour with a spoonful of brandy and a "whack on the arse"! He showed that his entrepreneurial spirit started early when he "managed" a church choir, earning a pretty penny from arranging performances at funerals, and even picking the hymns! He took us through his early days as a DJ, and talked about how he encountered The Beatles when they played at the Matrix Ballroom in Coventry (where he DJ'd at) -- he said this was the pivotal moment of his life; the moment he knew that he wanted a career in music. He outlined how he picked up Hurts So Good by Susan Cadogan, and issued it on his own label before it was picked up by a major, giving him his first hit. He rounded off the first half with an hilarious story about how John Travolta, by way of thanks for Pete's work on A&R'ing the Grease soundtrack, ordered Pete to buy a car and he'd pick up the bill -- Pete's choice was not to Travolta's liking...!
The second half took Pete through the 1980s; time constraints meant that the early 80s work with Peter Collins for Musical Youth, Tracey Ullman and Nik Kershaw was skated over, but Pete did this so he could cover the Stock Aitken Waterman years in more detail. He referred to Mike Stock and Matt Aitken as "geniuses", which was nice to hear given there have been some disagreements between the parties over the years, and talked about how amazing it was to work with Paul McCartney on the Hillsborough record, all those years after meeting him at the Matrix Ballroom in 1962.
The final part of the show saw Pete open up the stage for a Q&A. Some interesting details emerged here: apparently the Reynolds Girls are now landladies in Ireland; Rick Astley was actually the drummer of the band (FBI) he was in before Pete signed him, and was actually standing in for the lead singer the night Pete went to see the band; Karl Twigg and Mark Topham were determined to produce Steps' 5-6-7-8 in such a way so that Pete wouldn't like it and would drop the whole idea -- and were devastated when he in fact loved it!
He also discussed something I hadn't heard before; many readers have heard Pete discuss that the Bananarama album Please Yourself had originally been designed as an Abba tribute called Abba Banana, but Pete explained that, at one stage, there was a plan for Stock & Waterman to do 6 tracks... with the other 6 tracks to be written & produced by Benny Andersson and Bjorn Ulveaus!
I got a question in, asking Pete which of the lesser-successful SAW singles in his opinion was "the one that got away"; he seemed stumped initially then commented he'd never been asked that question before! He thought about it some more then said there wasn't one; by which I took to mean that "if it wasn't a hit, it wasn't meant to be a hit".
I felt this Q&A section was possibly the best part of the show; not that there was anything wrong with the earlier sections, more that there was a real sense of community in the room and the show became a conversation. There seemed to be a real warmth towards Pete from the audience, and vice versa -- so it was a shame when Pete said time was up -- I genuinely could have listened to him all night. He's such a good storyteller, but the problem is he has more stories than Hans Christian Anderson - two and a half hours ain't enough!
The winners of the Twitter competition (with the new PWL enamel pin badges as prizes) were announced at this point; Pete jumped off the stage to present the badges (pretty agile for 71 years old -- we all applauded) and I was first up! So I got my badge, shook Pete's hand and said thanks -- already an improvement on the previous two near-misses. But I wasn't done yet.
So, once out of the auditorium, I waited patiently as Pete had his photo taken with other audience members -- then I took my chance. No need to mention Michael Prince or Jeb Million this time, I just introduced myself, said how much of a fan I was and mentioned this blog. Just a quick chat as there were other people waiting... and to be honest I was worried that if I outstayed my welcome, then Sonia's Pat-Sharp-lookalike bodyguard might leap in and protect Pete with a dramatic sweep of his arm.
But I felt I'd had a proper meeting this time, and all was well with the world as I drove home across the brand spanking new Mersey Gateway bridge. Well worth going out on a school night for, and I'd urge any of you to go along if Pete brings the show to a theatre near you.
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Just a quick message to readers to say that the blog has been on enforced hiatus due to my hectic work schedule and personal commitments over the past few months -- but things are starting to clear and new articles are on the way! Thanks for your patience :-)
Wednesday, 27 December 2017
Alin Karna: In His Own Words
The start of Spelt Like This…
In that summer of 1984, Tom had secured us an exclusive publishing deal with Warner Brothers Music, then by September a major record contract with EMI; the latter followed a bidding war between EMI and MCA that Tom had handled quite masterfully; he was quite capable and formidable, and we were very fortunate to have such strong and creative management.
Working with Stock Aitken Waterman…
Walking Not Falling;
Larger Than Lions;
Lovers Lost No Return;
Out Of Water;
Bonkers;
Centre Of Attention;
Double Dare;
Love Surrender & Devotion; and
Emocean;



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